You can pick any sample from anywhere in somalia, ethiopia, kenya, or djibouti and compare them and without any surprise you’ll find them same. Do Berbers have “Euro-type” hair? You’d need the fst distances; Cavalli Sforza’s book would be the place to look that up. o if humanity started in e. africa it only make sense that we have the features of every racial group in the world. The “Ancestor ” is Ethiopic as noted by those geneticists. http://exploring-africa.blogspot.com/2008/01/response-to-ana-m-gonzalez-et-al-2007.html, Yes… They all take the view that Somalis and Ethiopians are part Caucasian. Actually a lot of African tribes are darker than any UV explanation can account for. There’s a little contribution from Arabs too, some of that dates back thousands of years. Damn, lol. Yonas/Ekli whatever your current name is…. The M13 in Ethiopians and the M51 in Khoisan BOTH come from the mutation called M32 – as you would see on the second page in the study. are somalis 80% sub Saharan African 15% eygptians and 5% ARAB. The first non Africans hardly even looked like modern humans let alone have Caucasoid skull shapes. Coming from a linguistic background I have studied the Somali language in depth. The diiference in historic Eurasian migration between upper and lower Egypt is 8% v 3% (Y chr input/2, rounded up). All this DNA evidence is just a attempted for European people to try to steal African and Middle Eastern history to try to claim it as their own because our civilizations where much older than theirs. That was some long-winded stuff there. We only have about 15%. Even with their African E Y chromosomes Berbers cluster with Europeans and Arabs, not Ethiopians (barring Tuareg who aren’t genetically NW Africans and are pretty recent to the area). ALBANIANS DO NOT HAVE THE SAME Y CHROMOSOME AS SOMALIS. I am a somali male from djbouti and all my life i had stupid Caribeans/Jamaicans tell me im not black because i have silky curly hair and i dont have a wide nose..I usually get mistaken as ethiopian by outher somalis or ill usually get mistaken for Caribean by non east africans my sisters and brothers usually get mistaken as caribean as well my mom is very light skin and my dad is a caramel colour. Moreover, Ethiopia is a very old country of your knowledge. Your heart and loyalty is with them and black Americans don't need anymore afrocentrics or negropeans among us causing divison. As I pointed out ( from memory here) they had a common ancestor in Egypt about 24k ago. Mathilda, I am a Somali who is light skinned and my family probably have quite a bit of Arab ancestry. if the latter i would like to point out that tutsi’s and masai are both nilotic in origin both these groups have been associated with somalis. Couldn’t it be that those feature originated in Africa and spread to Europe. I was wondering if you could give me any information that could help me with my inquiries. No, you can never prove that, so you believe they are mixed when there is chance that Africans are more genetically diveresed by nature. You do know that : Yet some in my own family even, not all, really dislike being called arab. You'd rather make up fantasies then actually learn your own family histories and claim Africans who don't want shit to do with you. I have a image I’m yet to post with the clinal variation along the Nile that’s a good example of the change from N to S. I’ll post it to the front of the blog…Predynastic lower Egyptians all come pretty close to modern upper Egyptians to, there hasn’t been much immgration into the area. On another topic although I respect you blog i tend to notice you keep repeating a misconception: “modern Egyptians have mainly Y chromsomes specific to Africa.. how did they magically change appearance then?”. And no, racially the Andamanese don’t fit into Nigeria at all, this is a hangover of old ‘skin colour as race’ thinking. Race and skin colour aren’t always associated. our neighborhood was raided. I dnt believe somaliz are mixed because we all know wat mixed people look alike..black and white make like Obama type..light skinned with African features..not somali type…obama doesnt look somali..and the interesting thing is wen any somali intermarries other race.the baby doesnt look anything like mixed..i have seen alot of mixed somali and white or asian and i wouldnt know if they are mixed until i read their biography…that also puts question mark on wether we r really black…some africans dnt see us african (black)..i had a friend who had black nigerian father and white german mother and even thou he had light skin and was mixed..he still claimed to be more african than i..and called me white even thou im dark skined with curly hair…I see myself as Somali…and nothing else…and we r not mixed with arabs..because then we would look like normal Ethiopians…which we dont..ethiopians are mostly light skinned and short..while majority of somali are tall and darker skin with non-african features.. mathilda37 : – “you (somalis) used to be a part of the Ethiopian population once”. Also I’m an INTJ, it’s just how we sound when we have to keep repeating ourselves. This Ethiopian population carrying M35 traveled into Sudan and Egypt where they sat for a long time. Europeans came from Africans. Its not surprising (to me) that genetic studies found: …i’ve left 2 further somalian comments on the berber page this blog, having trouble navigating Black Americans are mainly descended from the Bantu people, who are genetically and physically quite different to the East Africans. Niolitic ancestry is very, very possible. They have a physical Affinity with Africans yet a Biological and genetic Affinity that is purely Asian, their culture is Asian, and their language most truly ties them with other Asians. very interesting points you guys brought up it helped answer a lot of questions that were bothering me for quite some time..by the way im somali i thought somali’s originated from somewhere in Ethiopia. Genetic relationship has not bearing on the way a person looks or their physical features. The question is, I cannot understand in Y-DNA Terms how two different groups BOTH coming from M2 are not separated but I read two different groups BOTH coming from M35 separated as if they were not Genetic brothers? Most of us vary in lighter skin tones, we have delicate facial features and softer curly hair. You are thinking of E3b1a which is M78 that has an origin in North East Africa (particularly the Nubian Desert), From wiki: Suggesting that Semitic languages came from Africa and not the other way around as many texts have pointed out. I didn't write that. The other obvious matter shown in Fig. And when i was recently looking at Socotra (Which is ruled by Yemen but actually closer to Somalia) you Really really looked like horn Africans. A handful of Africans in the USA doesn't mean every black skinned person here is an African. M191 – Bantu expansion Regardless of what his face looks like they will tell him your people come from ‘Africa a long time ago, from your SNP marker it looks like your people were part of the Bantu Expansion and your progenitor has descendants who are mostly found in Angola.’ – so to speak. Even Egyptians themselves will tell you the purer ones live in southern Egypt. Y chromsomes are not teh be all and end all to DNA studeis- you need autosomal and SNP work, and these show Berbers are essentially Eurasians who moved back into Africa, Y chr not with standing. In Somali pharaoh translates to firqoon. North East/East African. My point, its hard to align genetics with: culture and phenotype. All that said I am still European, so please don’t take this Somalid thing too serious its just DNA, it doesn’t change the fact that I am European! (Mariah, from Ethiopia, living in D.C.). I believe, the explorers, the traders from other countries also have contributed a lot to the gen-pull apart from the inter marriage between different clan and race in the country. In Somali Ke Medaw – means black one. In your British eurocentric mind although just about every people group on the planet has “straight” hair, it is all “Euro-type” hair to you. when i ask my mother abp#out this she replies that hudreeds of years ago arabs used to come to somalia and that they … well you kno and that is why but my father says that it has to do with portugues but i still dont get it and this website is so far the best but i am just 14 and i dont get most of the things on this site can someone please explain It was actually absolutely descriptive of his skin colour, he had the blackest skin colour I’ve ever seen on a human. Information I read on Punt even showed the people in Punt using Donkeys – Totally African, as pack and riding animals for transport. Lets just say after having a good root through his dates and protowords, I can tell his estimated dates are less reliable than a politicans promises. Ethio: 14, Khoisan: (A-M51) 28.2 M81 is from a mainly Caucasoid, white population. There is zero evidence of any cultural or genetic connection to East Africa with Egypt in that time period, and the only connection before that was from Egypt to East Africa. Come back and tell us how they look. Funny . Regardless of what automosal testing or MtDNA would show, the MALE ANCESTRY still has an Affinity with M35 because it comes FROM M35 {Not speaking of Ethiopia, or even Africa and definitely not race} the marker its self comes from the M35 Marker and no other Marker in existence. Not satisfied with their own culture so they vote for an African guy (instead of another African-American) one to make due. Use of stereotypical “true” negro types to represent African genetic diversity. I even have a fair number of Somalis posting that disagree with your POV who understand they have near Eastern ancestry. It is they who have SOMALI blood. E3b1=M35 = Ethiopia A little bit of the rest of your ancestry is Arab, the rest is native East African. Okey! We’re simply very similar to Ethiopians/Dijibouti, etc I’ve got some news for you, even West Africans have some Eurasian ancestry in them (Y DNA R1b + K, and mt DNA U) from a very old back migration into Africa. M35 lineages Go INTO the Middle East spreading Proto-Afriasian come back into the Horn in the form of Semitic. Agree with you Donna. she gives me rihanna bad girl vibes but taylor... SweetApples That is really pathetic and shows a lack of pride on your part and all the black Americans just like you out here. All a dark…dark skin Afrocentric people were spread all over the planet. It is among the farmers of the riverine areas and the traders of the coastal towns you see greater variability in features. I have noticed though that we do not look like other Guineans or other W. Africans. Just giving it a monster a good face. I did find M123, but that TOO comes from the Ethiopic M35* These people moved southwards into Ethiopia, then Somalia. I am trying to find that paper on Yemen. this could then mean that somalis only contain 15-20% non african or eurasian and the caucasian influence could only effect hair texture as facial features would be nilotic . Rapper Rylo Rodriguez Struggling Ordering Buttermilk Pancakes, Draya Michele in LA with Son Nathaniel (Niko), 18, Love & Marriage Huntsville Trailer Looks Wild, Harry and Meghan Deny reports in U.K. media that they are quitting social media, RHoSLC - Shareif didnt talk to Jen for 4 days after her meltdown at his party, Nicole Kidman And Javier Bardem Eyed To Play Lucille Ball And Desi Arnaz in Being The Ricardos. It is somehow okay if the west goes to a romote nomedic area who isn’t well knowledgeable of western education could it be that where their from it is unnecessary to to know what an isosoles triangle is but rather what is appropriate for their environment. But you contradict yourself by saying Ouldeme R1b is “typically Eurasian” but then you say it Has “lost any genetic affinities to Europeans/Asians”. , Jan 11, 2021 at 8:07 PM Then, some new people from the Arabian peninsula moved into East Africa a few thousand years ago, more in Ethiopia, but still a lot in Somalia. You puzzle me, and scare me slightly too. I’m writing a peice on it right now, as it goes. Although Egyptians have a phenotype that seems specific to Egypt is still fights the broader one that is typical of North East Africa: Long head, oval eyes etc. Language is a good indicator of the spread of human genome. And that person is arabman. ( Log Out /  Also it is clearly seen in the article labeled : Y'all don't like it but they are the minority of blacks in the U.S, Horners have arab yemeni blood and some italian and swiss in them from that semi-colonialism. Lastly there is a big misconception regarding M78. Anyways, it is nice to see that you show interest in our history. My father’s family originates from Guinea (in W. Africa) and are part of the very small Peuhl tribe. Matilda why do you not believe that it has gone the other way. My main interest in them is that they are the end of a very old expansion from the lake Nubia area that I have an interest in. As above you state that there was movement from Soutehern Egypt to Ethiopia/Somalia – I fully agree, what do you think of this example: -There is a 6ooo year gap between Ethiopian M35 and Egyptian M78 Keita says “ African ” is being int Asia and they all be blue black much, i. Be at least98 % great picture as you are in Somalis cant really an... 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